Transifex status

[toutpt]

Hi,

Since the 1.0 released and update of the transifex.net to this version, every things has been broken.

Please read this:

* doc http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/one-dot-zero.html
* blog http://blog.transifex.net/2010/11/one-dot-zero/
* tec http://help.transifex.net/technical/releases/1.0.html

What you should know after reading, what I have understood:

Now translations will not be pushed back to repository by transifex.net (security issue in fact).
* Maintainers need to use transifex-client to sync translations
* translators can use the webui to translate each pot file.
* pot are automaticly updated


So First I have tried to install transifex-client with buildout. It fails, reported , fixed in a branch , waiting for the merge:

* http://trac.transifex.org/ticket/681

Now I will try to cleanup Plone project on transifex, and sync translations.

[Jan Ulrich Hasecke-2]

Am 03.02.11 09:40, schrieb toutpt:

> Now I will try to cleanup Plone project on transifex, and sync translations.

Thank you for your efforts. I very much appreciate this because I am
going to translate Plone with people who have no clue to use svn and
po-editors.

Thanks a lot!
juh


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[toutpt]

Well, I have done a new effort on trying to push Plone on transifex.net.

You will find a report on my blog: http://toutpt.makina-corpus.org/plone-on-transifex-net

This is also a request for comments, so please give me feed back about this (here is the best place).

[Vincent Fretin]

Hi,

Thank you JeanMichel for your effort, this is really appreciated.
I will work with you to establish the new translation workflow.

Vincent

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, toutpt <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, I have done a new effort on trying to push Plone on transifex.net.

You will find a report on my blog:
http://toutpt.makina-corpus.org/plone-on-transifex-net

This is also a request for comments, so please give me feed back about this
(here is the best place).

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[Lachlan Musicman]

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 23:14, Vincent Fretin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thank you JeanMichel for your effort, this is really appreciated.
> I will work with you to establish the new translation workflow.

Hi,

I was under the assumption that this was a personal project, not an
endorsed project. Has Plone decided to move to Transifex for all it's
L10n?

Don't get me wrong, I think that's a good thing, I just didn't see any
announcement saying "oh FYI, we are moving to Transifex for L10n"

cheers
L.

>
> Vincent
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, toutpt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I have done a new effort on trying to push Plone on transifex.net.
>>
>> You will find a report on my blog:
>> http://toutpt.makina-corpus.org/plone-on-transifex-net
>>
>> This is also a request for comments, so please give me feed back about
>> this
>> (here is the best place).
>>
>> -----Jean-Michel François aka toutpt
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[toutpt]

Hi,

we are not moving to transifex but we want to.

The first step is to evaluate and see what should be done to get it works.

I have done reports and discuss it with Vincent. It appears we can propose a new workflow, so we first need to do a survey to know which translation teams want to switch to transifex.net.

I guess french team will be on transifex :)

[Lachlan Musicman]

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 18:56, toutpt <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> we are not moving to transifex but we want to.
>
> The first step is to evaluate and see what should be done to get it works.
>
> I have done reports and discuss it with Vincent. It appears we can propose a
> new workflow, so we first need to do a survey to know which translation
> teams want to switch to transifex.net.

I'm not a translator (and hence don't know the inner workings of a
proper translation workflow), but I know that the Django mob happily
moved to transifex recently. I'd back it.

cheers
L.

>
> I guess french team will be on transifex :)
>
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[Jan Ulrich Hasecke-2]

On 03.05.11 11:30, Lachlan Musicman wrote:
> I'm not a translator (and hence don't know the inner workings of a
> proper translation workflow), but I know that the Django mob happily
> moved to transifex recently. I'd back it.

In my understanding, we do not move to Transifex in a sense that we
cannot translate Plone in the future the same way as we did before.
Transifex is not a replacement for svn but a new tool to actually
translate and to use svn without using it. ;-)

Please correct me, if I am wrong!

I appreciate the move to Transifex because there are translators around
who do not use svn. So you have to send po-files around by email. But
they should be able to translate Ploe via Transifex.

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[toutpt]

Not now juh but it was the case before transifex 1.0. Now transifex don't do auto commit. So the package maintainer need to pull translations from transifex to the source code with transifex-client.

The main issue we have is we can't merge translations, so a team need to be 100% on transifex or not at all (stay with svn).

[Jan Ulrich Hasecke-2]

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On 03.05.11 15:12, toutpt wrote:
> Not now juh but it was the case before transifex 1.0. Now transifex
> don't do auto commit. So the package maintainer need to pull
> translations from transifex to the source code with
> transifex-client.
>
> The main issue we have is we can't merge translations, so a team need
> to be 100% on transifex or not at all (stay with svn).

Thanks for the clarification, Jean-Michel. Is this a svn issue which can
be solved by using a DVCS?

Does anyone know how Launchpad translations work?

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[toutpt]

The issue doesn't comes from svn or dvcs. It comes from transifex design & workflow.

Transifex is storing all translations within it's own database and don't know anything about the repository. The update of messages is done by a simple download of the resource (pot file). The maintainer has to merge itself the messages.

I don't know how launchpad manage translations.

[Vincent Fretin]

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On 03.05.11 15:12, toutpt wrote:
> Not now juh but it was the case before transifex 1.0. Now transifex
> don't do auto commit. So the package maintainer need to pull
> translations from transifex to the source code with
> transifex-client.
>
> The main issue we have is we can't merge translations, so a team need
> to be 100% on transifex or not at all (stay with svn).

Thanks for the clarification, Jean-Michel. Is this a svn issue which can
be solved by using a DVCS?

Does anyone know how Launchpad translations work?

Hi,

When we looked at it, launchpad used a bzr repository, we couldn't use plone svn directly.
So in the end, it's the same complexity, we need to retrieve the po files from the tool and commit them in plone svn.
I will do it manually or write a script that did it on a regular basis, every week for example.

Vincent

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